@maddison @tyme @BPDSurvivor @NatureLover . thanks for tips and kind words,  ill find some to help.. a couple of ladies at the library have offered a few times to help,  ive just got to overcome the shyness thing.  ill wake up one day , take some eggs and veg to swap, and hope they dont end up regretting the offer.  did you get the kite about the "no-no" words ? . do you have a list you could email me,  its a real trap for new comers. for naive  people like me we would never expect an item of cutlery to torpedo the mail room.. any way , better go, my feet are ki  ing me,.. opps ... nearly did it again.  my feet are hurting. hope you see the funny side .in good faith .tonys moon base one, over and out