@maddison ok ive got my big toe on the shift, my pinky on the 2 next to the letters, and typing with other hand.  JUST KIDDING. Im getting there thanks, for help.  so i guess this one will go to you, but others can see it somewhere. and if i dont do the,  shift@ , step , then it goes some where,  where every one can see it.  i will just plod along with that. i have to be care full i dont make to many mistakes or they will give me a government portfolio. hope every one is warm safe and dry. i have an egg bound chook so doing the olive oil treatment. might be an explossian so better go. thanks again