thanks @Dimity  going back to last year re library for printing, was going to say 10 years. I do it if inbetween printers or need better quality. if I need quantity, i go to office national or whatever. I never thought I could justify a shredder, wouldnt use it enough, think.

am thinking about a black and white laser printer, but would need to keep old printer for copier and scanner as it just prints apparently re cheapest ones